Will Not Sit on Potty

Dear Dr. Rene,

My daughter will be 4 years old in January and will not pee or poop on the potty.  She wears underwear all day long and very rarely has an accident.  However, whenever she has to pee or poop, she asks for a pull-up.  She puts on the pull-up herself, goes pee, takes the pull-up off, puts it in the trash and puts her underwear back on.  If we are out, she only likes to change into a pull-up to go to the bathroom in the car.  Sometimes I have to help her tkae her pants and shoes off but she is self sufficient with the pull-ups.  She is terribly afraid of the potty!  We have two different potties, we’ve watched the movies and read the books, she has a dollhouse with a potty to play.  I don’t know how to physically make her pee where I want her to.  A couple of times I have said that we have no more pull-ups for during the day and both times she has held it all day until she is too uncomfortable to sit down – at which point I give her the pull-up.  I don’t want to do this again unless I’m really going to stick to it.  I just didn’t feel right having her in so much discomfort while trying to force her to pee on the potty.  We also have a baby due in January, if that makes a difference.

Sincerely,

Erkia, mother of one and one on the way

Dear Erika,

There are two answers here.  First, the potty training answer.  Second, the answer about managing fears and anxieties.  I would start with the low key way of addressing the first while you learn about the second.

You are already on the path of the potty training answer.  A more common related concern would be the child who will pee but not poop in the potty then has an accident or needs a pull-up to poop.  The overarching suggestion there is to stay calm emotionally and allow the child to change into a pull-up as needed and then clean them as you would if they were not yet potty training.  All of this while expressing you know they are potty trained for pee (not in your case) and you know they will poop on the potty when they are ready.

There are several additional potty training things you can do to move forward.  I would encourage her to be in a bathroom for the process.  At home move the stack of pull-ups to the bathroom and talk about how that is the room where people go when they need to potty.  Carry a pull-up in your bag and guide her to a bathroom when you are out.  With a silly tone you can remind her “The car is not a bathroom, silly.  When people go potty they go to a bathroom.”  A next step, once she is comfortably going in the bathroom would be to have her sit down when she is in the pull-up, either on the edge of the tub or on the can be closed potty.  This is getting her into the sitting position which can feel different but necessary for eventually going on the potty.

Give her choices about which bathroom and if you help her or not.  When she does at least make it in the bathroom give her a bit of descriptive praise, “You knew you had to go and you got yourself into the bathroom!”  I would also give her language of ownership.  This means saying every few days, and not on the heels of a pull-up, “You so know when you need to go potty.  Your body knows soon enough that you can even get yourself changed to a pull-up.  I know when you are ready, you will sit on the potty.”  This is meant to be encouragement without pressure.  Continue to mix in the story books and the video tapes.  Continue to play with the dollhouse bathroom set.

If all that doesn’t lead to progress, you might take a consultation with the WASH Clinic at Children’s National Medical Center.  They are specialists in potty training issues and may have additional answers to encouraging the process when there are specific concerns.

Your description of her being “terribly afraid” of going on the potty and her complicated answer to avoid it of changing, even in the car to go to the bathroom suggests while she is able, she has unknowingly convinced herself that is a scary thing.   The more you just push or “force” her to go on the potty, likely the more she will push back.  When there is an anxiety, the underlying idea is the thinking causes the feelings which cause the behavior.  To help the child move beyond the avoidance behavior, the trick is to figure out and address the thinking to change the feelings to change the behavior.  There is a good book titled Helping Your Anxious Child: A Step by Step Guide for Parents byRapee, Wignall, Spence, Lyneham and Cobham.  It is an activity book for parents and children to work through together to help children help themselves to calm the anxious feelings and outcome behaviors.  I would start reading this book yourself and if they potty training suggestions don’t move the system forward you can go back and start working through these activities together.  This is a long term effort to your concern but a healthy way to go.  There are also area specialists who can work through this with you if you prefer a person to a book.

Sincerely, Dr. Rene

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Comments

  1. Amy Kramer says:

    My DD is pee trained but not poop trained. She refuses to wear diapers and will just poop in her undies and sometimes tell someone, but other times she will not. She went a whole week being poop trained to get her prize (new baby doll) and the next week right back to pooping in her undies. She turned 3 in Sept and only recently (last month or so) became pee trained. I feel your frustration and at times we are probably not handling this as best we can. Plus I am 2 weeks away from due date with our 2nd, so I totally relate to this person.

  2. It is not uncommon. At least a person in almost each of our potty training workshops is dealing with some version of this. Let me know if you have follow-up questions.

  3. Amy Kramer says:

    I wanted to sign up for one of your PT classes but the times did not work for us the last time it was offered and the next one is right near my due date. I will try some of the advice above about how great it is that she is pee trained and that we know when she is ready she will poop in the potty. Also, she had some bad bouts of constipation and experienced pain so she now thinks poop on pot = pain. Sometimes when she has gone on the potty she will even say “that did not hurt” so I think we have that working against us too. She holds it in and then gets constipated and then it is painful and even requires “intervention”. I know this is common at this age so I try to monitor it so it does not ended up being really bad constipation.

  4. With constipation, be sure you have talked with your pediatrician. That can get out of hand quickly and have a longer lasting impact. For sure, be doing all of the home remedies like more water and more walking, more fruits, vegetables and fiber and avoiding starchy foods. If this has been on-going it may be your pediatrician would suggest a regularly given laxative to stay cleaned out and let her system have a bit of a break. Constipation can quickly move from being a physical to a physical and psychological concern. If she has it in her head that pooping hurts it can take considerably longer to have her reliably potty trained.

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